After the kiss...

[Balb Kubrox]

Aw, now thats a bit unfair.
Its possibly due to the fact that his lover got bit and then combusted that hes just a tad peed off and possibly a locked door is not gonna stop him from exacting justice.

Its his own fault for laying down his weapon.

[sauvin]

It's Lacke's fault he's dead because he laid down his weapon? Did I read that right?

Dude, he was facing a being who can cover a hundred meters by air in just a couple of seconds and lay out easily four times her mass in teenage boys in less than half a minute, ripping one head off and carrying another halfway down the length of a full sized lap pool in less than ten seconds. The beast has fangs, claws and probably a really REALLY bad attitude finding a strange man with a knife in her bathroom after hearing Oskar yell. The strength shown at the pool scene isn't easily describable - do you KNOW what it takes to rip off a human head? The forces involved are measured in terms of tons.

You're gonna fight this off with a kitchen knife? Dude, I'd want a couple of machetes and a flamethrower at least just to feel like maybe I'd have a chance.

[covenant6452]

Dude, I'd want a couple of machetes and a flamethrower at least just to feel like maybe I'd have a chance.

You're not saying you would do that to our little Eli?

[Wolfchild]

Yeah - she's so cute. Nothing that cute could be dangerous, right?

[drakkar]

It's Lacke's fault he's dead because he laid down his weapon? Did I read that right?

Dude, he was facing a being who can cover a hundred meters by air in just a couple of seconds and lay out easily four times her mass in teenage boys in less than half a minute, ripping one head off and carrying another halfway down the length of a full sized lap pool in less than ten seconds. The beast has fangs, claws and probably a really REALLY bad attitude finding a strange man with a knife in her bathroom after hearing Oskar yell. The strength shown at the pool scene isn't easily describable - do you KNOW what it takes to rip off a human head? The forces involved are measured in terms of tons.

You're gonna fight this off with a kitchen knife? Dude, I'd want a couple of machetes and a flamethrower at least just to feel like maybe I'd have a chance.

Now you made me reviving thoughts I had the first times I watched the dvd.
It was sort of OK whe nasty brainless morons died - the only thing I knew about them was that God had sent Steven Seagal or Sylvester Stallone to kill them.

- But poor, incompetent Lacke! He did his best, which wasn't much. He was relentlessly brought down by Eli, and I sided with her! When Eli goes away I'm sad, and when she comes back, ripping three kids to shreds all is well and I'm happy again!
In the end they're riding into the sunset on the train, with Eli continuining to kill ca innocent 50 persons a year! Then we discuss a bit whether it would be a good idea or not if Oskar started to do the same!

I still don't quite get it. I've learned a lot about myself through this story.

Covenant captures this beautifully in his drawing "after the song" http://www.sleepingdragon.me/AfterTheSong.jpg outside a cabin, after Eli has fed. Wonder how it looks like inside that cabin...

[sauvin]

It's Lacke's fault he's dead because he laid down his weapon? Did I read that right?

Dude, he was facing a being who can cover a hundred meters by air in just a couple of seconds and lay out easily four times her mass in teenage boys in less than half a minute, ripping one head off and carrying another halfway down the length of a full sized lap pool in less than ten seconds. The beast has fangs, claws and probably a really REALLY bad attitude finding a strange man with a knife in her bathroom after hearing Oskar yell. The strength shown at the pool scene isn't easily describable - do you KNOW what it takes to rip off a human head? The forces involved are measured in terms of tons.

You're gonna fight this off with a kitchen knife? Dude, I'd want a couple of machetes and a flamethrower at least just to feel like maybe I'd have a chance.

Now you made me reviving thoughts I had the first times I watched the dvd.
It was sort of OK whe nasty brainless morons died - the only thing I knew about them was that God had sent Steven Seagal or Sylvester Stallone to kill them.

- But poor, incompetent Lacke! He did his best, which wasn't much. He was relentlessly brought down by Eli, and I sided with her! When Eli goes away I'm sad, and when she comes back, ripping three kids to shreds all is well and I'm happy again!
In the end they're riding into the sunset on the train, with Eli continuining to kill ca innocent 50 persons a year! Then we discuss a bit whether it would be a good idea or not if Oskar started to do the same!

I still don't quite get it. I've learned a lot about myself through this story.

Covenant captures this beautifully in his drawing "after the song" http://www.sleepingdragon.me/AfterTheSong.jpg outside a cabin, after Eli has fed. Wonder how it looks like inside that cabin...

She's left me no less deeply confused and conflicted.

[gattoparde59]

I don't remember being conflicted about Lacke's death. I was terrified when Lacke started to pull off the window covering and the light streams through. Virginia has taught us, and Lacke apparently, what that means for Eli. No flamethrower needed.

When you think about it, for Eli to be the nice little girl in the "birthday" scene, Jocke has to die. My feeling is that Jocke and the rest of Eli's victims are very very unlucky.

Except for the bullies. . .

[drakkar]

Maybe the worst thing about Lacke's death was that he wasn't even considered an enemy which had to be silenced quickly. No, he was plain food! Thank you Oskar! For saving my life, AND for the meal.
And still, I side 110% with Eli.

[sauvin]

I don't remember being conflicted about Lacke's death. I was terrified when Lacke started to pull off the window covering and the light streams through. Virginia has taught us, and Lacke apparently, what that means for Eli. No flamethrower needed.

When you think about it, for Eli to be the nice little girl in the "birthday" scene, Jocke has to die. My feeling is that Jocke and the rest of Eli's victims are very very unlucky.

Except for the bullies. . .

Yes, it seems this is what it is to be the victim of vampire attack in JAL's universe, a kind of black lottery. I believe Eli or any Eli-like vampire would have few choices - they just take what they can get.

I wasn't conflicted about Lacke's death, either. Well, let's just say that I could see either "side": Lacke, the would-be Van Helsing ridding the country of a deadly unholy menace vs. the cute little girl with the fine young man for a boyfriend wanting nothing more than to have a few moments of happiness in an otherwise empty existence. I didn't personally have any problem with Eli defending herself the way she did - in fact, I don't see her as having any choice in the matter.

As for the bullies? That might be seen as a bit extreme in some quarters. They were killing Oskar, though, and while people may quibble at children their age understanding the gravity and the consequences of their actions, my feeling is when a murder is in progress, you're either part of the solution or you're part of the problem (one of the few times, in fact, you'll ever catch me engaging in binary thinking). IMO, they had to go.

[DMt.]

Lacke dies trying to do what he thinks is right. He is just hopelessly outmatched, but it's still kind of noble and sad. I don't think he was 'just food', he threatened a sleeping vampire and he paid the price.