Would you let Eli in?

[TΛPETRVE]

Reminds me of Shaun of the Dead. "Don't say the Z word!"

[LastDarkness]

Ummm probably shouldnt say this, but ive met a Vampire Hunter. About 5 years ago who did follow unusual murder reports and disappearances around and hunted vampires. He said most of them were done by gang members, drug addicts and run of the mill psychos but a few were geniune. He told me about a hunt he did over a couple pints one time down at the pub about a vampire he hunted who preyed on the homeless and vagrant population in a certain city. He dropped a safe on it head from a upper floor in a abandoned building all loony toons style to kill it. Strange encounter indeed.

So I would think if there are vampires runing around theres certainly vampire hunters too, plus some cops just see weird shit sometimes. If apprehended I wonder what Lawyer would take such a "Vampire" case?

[sauvin]

Ummm probably shouldnt say this, but ive met a Vampire Hunter. About 5 years ago who did follow unusual murder reports and disappearances around and hunted vampires. He said most of them were done by gang members, drug addicts and run of the mill psychos but a few were geniune. He told me about a hunt he did over a couple pints one time down at the pub about a vampire he hunted who preyed on the homeless and vagrant population in a certain city. He dropped a safe on it head from a upper floor in a abandoned building all loony toons style to kill it. Strange encounter indeed.

So I would think if there are vampires runing around theres certainly vampire hunters too, plus some cops just see weird [deleted] sometimes. If apprehended I wonder what Lawyer would take such a "Vampire" case?

The "reality" that most of us "sane" and "reasonably well educated" folks share does not include vampires. On this basis, it seems fair to claim a strong possibility your vampire hunter was either a blowhard (and you got gulled) or a dangerously unbalanced person desperately in need of close confinement. Dropping safes on people is homicide.

If there were vampires, yes, I suppose it'd follow that sooner or later some fringe element would catch wind of them; if one, then two, and three... and sooner or later there'd be one with enough ganas and broken toys in the attic to actually hunt them down. Pray you never meet one! I wouldn't know which to fear more, the vampire that just wants enough to eat to get by, or the vampire hunter who just might see things that aren't there and have conversations with himself - or with some supernatural or extradimensional Supervisory Other.

Edit: 29 Octobre 2011, replaced a "bad word" with [deleted] to comply with renewed restrictions on language.

[LastDarkness]

The "reality" that most of us "sane" and "reasonably well educated" folks share does not include vampires. On this basis, it seems fair to claim a strong possibility your vampire hunter was either a blowhard (and you got gulled) or a dangerously unbalanced person desperately in need of close confinement. Dropping safes on people is homicide.

If there were vampires, yes, I suppose it'd follow that sooner or later some fringe element would catch wind of them; if one, then two, and three... and sooner or later there'd be one with enough ganas and broken toys in the attic to actually hunt them down. Pray you never meet one! I wouldn't know which to fear more, the vampire that just wants enough to eat to get by, or the vampire hunter who just might see things that aren't there and have conversations with himself - or with some supernatural or extradimensional Supervisory Other.

Reguardless it was still a great story over a beer.

I have dated a 'vampire' for awile but she was just a unmedicated schizo with multiple personality disorder. I miss her, certainly kept things fresh lol.

[thestich]

There was a FF that talked about what happens when a cop talks about the V word.

A B5 quote!

[Gryphon]

I think maybe Gryphon's refusal to accept community standard definitions for many things "moral" may change if the conveniently fictional Eli were to take up residence next door at the same time some of his friends were to start disappearing or being found floating in nearby lakes or rivers.

If Eli were to harm people close to me, I would react. I would stop seeing Eli as the special child worthy of protection, but as with all things, I would remember it is not my place to judge or kill. I would be faced with the pain of losing my friends, anger, and rage... but pitted against my scientific desire to protect a unique or rare form of life. For, even without my caring for the character of Eli, I am still a scientist, with a scientist's morality. Eli is special, biologically, and, (if I take away any emotional attachment to her), worthy of study. Now, I'm a physicist, so not really qualified to study a vampire, so I'd probably track her down during the day, pack her into a crate, and ship her off to be studied like a lab rat by someone qualified, if she hurt someone I cared about.

[cmfireflies]

That seems like a fate worse than death O_O

[Gryphon]

That seems like a fate worse than death O_O

Probably, but in that scenario, I would be angry at her, so uncaring about her feelings. Now, if she came to me without causing harm to those I cared for, I'd be rather more magnanimous

[sauvin]

I think maybe Gryphon's refusal to accept community standard definitions for many things "moral" may change if the conveniently fictional Eli were to take up residence next door at the same time some of his friends were to start disappearing or being found floating in nearby lakes or rivers.

If Eli were to harm people close to me, I would react. I would stop seeing Eli as the special child worthy of protection, but as with all things, I would remember it is not my place to judge or kill. I would be faced with the pain of losing my friends, anger, and rage... but pitted against my scientific desire to protect a unique or rare form of life. For, even without my caring for the character of Eli, I am still a scientist, with a scientist's morality. Eli is special, biologically, and, (if I take away any emotional attachment to her), worthy of study. Now, I'm a physicist, so not really qualified to study a vampire, so I'd probably track her down during the day, pack her into a crate, and ship her off to be studied like a lab rat by someone qualified, if she hurt someone I cared about.

I wonder how easy it is to maintain scientific detachment after seeing a love one's head twisted around 180 degrees, with major blood vessels, a severed air tube and some muscles poking out of a hole gored out of his or her throat, blood everywhere and the scene redolent of faesces and urine. Would cool dispassion rule as you close his or her eyes glazed over and note it feels a lot like a cold greasy steak? Would your scientist's morality shield you from the fear that others you care about - others you love - face the same hasard as Eli is allowed to continue to exist?

Death in real life isn't Karo syrup and catsup. It's not neat and orderly and only vaguely discomforting. When we see a gored Jocke or Lacke or an etched Hakan, we're put off our popcorn for a few seconds, but then we can smile to ourselves with the knowledge that it's all just makeup, special effects and CGI.

The following link is NOT for people with weak stomachs. It is a REAL photograph of the victim of a "REAL" vampire (Ramirez): http://www.members.tripod.com/~VanessaWest/ramirez3.jpg It's not graphically gory, but its very reality imbues it with a horror nothing Hollywood does can match.

If this were your girlfriend, your wife, your mother, your daughter, your niece or best friend or co-worker - if this were anybody you saw and talked to every day... and if you were the first to discover this scene, you were the one to have to report it to the authorities, where would your calmly moral dispassion be? I would imagine mine would would be completely lost even before I started puking. It's very easy to claim that once the shock has worn off, my next thought would be to find whoever did this. Qui a ose faire telle chose, je l'arracherai la gorge. Lentement.

I understand the fascination with a cute, sweet little preteen vampire. I share it; I'm also smitten ("those eyes... that smile... I'm lost!"), but it's almost impossible for me to forget what she does to survive. Eli's two faces are impossible to reconcile.

[God of Vampires]

So I would think if there are vampires runing around theres certainly vampire hunters too, plus some cops just see weird shit sometimes. If apprehended I wonder what Lawyer would take such a "Vampire" case?

I would be delighted to act as Eli's lawyer .

First of all: Second chapter of the swedish constitution, section four.
"Capital punishment shall not occur (law 1976:871)".

So as long as Eli is considered at least partly human, putting her to death would violate the constitution.

"Secondly: Third chapter of the penal code, section one.
"A person who takes the life of another shall be sentenced for murder to imprisonment for at least ten years and not more than eighteen or for life (2009:396)."

The punishment for murder has been slighly increased by the latest update 2009.

Thirdly: Third chapter of the penal code, section two.

"If, in view of the circumstances that led to the act or for other reasons, the crime referred to in Section 1 is considered to be less serious, imprisonment for manslaughter shall be imposed for at least six and at most ten years."

I would very much view Eli's need for blood as mitigating circumstances, meaning that she should be charged for manslaughter instead of murder. Meaning that she will at most face ten years in prison.

But most importantly: Chapter 26 of the penal code, section 14.
"During the probationary period the conditionally released person shall lead an orderly life, try to support himself to the best of his ability and otherwise observe what is required of him by this Code or through conditions made, or instructions given, with its support. He shall, when summoned, appear before the local prison and probation administration. If ordered to make compensation for damage caused by the crime, he shall make all possible efforts to meet this obligation. When the conditionally released person is placed under supervision, the local prison and probation administration shall, through supervision and the provision of support and assistance, seek to ensure that he does not relapse into crime and that his general adjustment in the community is promoted. To this end the local prison and probation authority shall keep itself continuously informed about the conduct of his life and his circumstances in general. (Law 1998:604)".

This means that if Eli is conditionally released, she would be put under surveillance. Eli would have to compensate the damage caused by her crimes but would be guaranteed blood from the state as (underlinded text) the supervisors must provide neccesary assistance to make sure that Eli's adjustment in the community is promoted and that she do not fall back into a life of crime.

This without even considering the fact that Eli might be tried as a 12 year old and in this case would be sent to a juvenile detention center rather than prison. This is an extract from the wikipedia article about juvenile detention centers.

"Juvenile detention is not intended to be punitive. Rather, juveniles held in secure custody usually receive care consistent with the doctrine of parens patriae, i.e., the state as parent. The state or local jurisdiction is usually responsible for providing education, recreation, health, assessment, counseling and other intervention services with the intent of maintaining a youth's well-being during his or her stay in custody."

That do not seem that bad, does it?