Quotes About Love, Fitting for LTROI

[a_contemplative_life]

Without warning
as a whirlwind
swoops on an oak
Love shakes my heart

- Sappho (612 B.C.)

[cmfireflies]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC7HlRL0QtM

[Lacenaire]

かわいさ余って憎さ百倍。

"Love and hatred are very close to each other."


A Japanese idiom.

Literally this means: “ The left overs of love turn into a hundred-times greater hate.” It is indeed a well known Japanese proverb.

Certainly your translation is closer to the exact meaning than America’s most famous libertarian think-tank is to a martial arts club (not to mention some other “associations” that have appeared on this forum), but still the difference is significant and interesting in the context of LTROI? Was your intention to suggest something about the future of Eli and Oskar? If so, it sounds intriguingly gloomy.

This thread would have been more interesting perhaps if poster’s explained how they see the relation between their quotes and LTROI.

Overall, the “quotes” posted here suggest to me not only a a large variety of literary tastes but also very different visions of the film (assuming that they were really inspired by the film). Actually, this is still the most intriguing thing for me about this film. People who live in a different universe from me and don’t seem to like a single other thing that I like (or the other way round) like this film and so do I. How is this possible? It’s clearly due to the ambiguities Alfredson so carefully planted in the film: it can be almost all thing to all people (well, perhaps not to all but to many very different people), and what these people find attractive (or unattractive) in it perhaps says something about their own personalities. (The book is quite different and does not produce this kind of effect ).

Also, I think the differences are all primarily due to the character of Eli because Oskar is fairly unambiguous and does not seem to inspire much controversy.

For a mathematician like myself (in more advanced mathematics one is always "classifying" things) it would be interesting to try to classify all different “visions” into a number of "categories": then people could see which category theirs was closest to and whether people whose visions fell roughly in the same category really had more in common with each other than with the others. (I am pretty sure my "vision" would be in a category with only a single member ).

[gattoparde59]

TAPETRVE wrote:かわいさ余って憎さ百倍。

"Love and hatred are very close to each other."


A Japanese idiom.



Literally this means: “ The left overs of love turn into a hundred-times greater hate.” It is indeed a well known Japanese proverb.

I was wondering about that, and thanks to Lacenaire for an alternate translation. A more free translation might be "The ashes of love turn into a hundred-times greater hate." It would be more accurate to say that this is not about love, but "love gone bad" which is a familiar theme in popular songs.

What came to mind for me was "It's a Thin line between Love and Hate" which is an old R&B song from 1971 by Robert and Richard Poindexter, Jackie Members.

I think this applies to LTROI. In the end, love does not go bad, but it does get seriously derailed for a time. Eli bleeding in the entry way is a vision of love gone horribly wrong. Another is the "most important," but deleted scene where Oskar strikes Eli and then the two make up.

This is one of things that separates this love story from something more trite. This is not "magical" realism, but simply realism in the story of Oskar and Eli.

[a_contemplative_life]

Other than Oskar's hatred of his classmates, I don't really see much hatred in the film. Oskar and Eli certainly never hate each other at any point, they just take some time getting to know one another. It seems to me more like love triumphing over thoughtlessness, neglect and apathy?

[TΛPETRVE]

If this strong a love should ever break, it might turn into a feud far beyond the boundaries of life and death.

[drakkar]

Other than Oskar's hatred of his classmates, I don't really see much hatred in the film. Oskar and Eli certainly never hate each other at any point, they just take some time getting to know one another. It seems to me more like love triumphing over thoughtlessness, neglect and apathy?

QFT.

[gattoparde59]

It seems to me more like love triumphing over thoughtlessness, neglect and apathy?

And Eli's dishonesty, which fuels the anger that Oskar feels towards Eli. There is a paragraph in one of your "falling in love" posts where you wonder where Eli was going to go with her deceit. What did she expect?

they just take some time getting to know one another.

That is understating it quite a bit imho.

[genie47]

If this strong a love should ever break, it might turn into a feud far beyond the boundaries of life and death.

Love never goes bad. From this post yours, I'm certain that it doesn't. Love is good, never bad. I think we see it 'go bad' is because people just stopped loving and kept waiting to be love. Some people just get angry when they don't receive it.

You just can't afford to be self-centred when comes to love.

[gattoparde59]

Love never goes bad. From this post yours, I'm certain that it doesn't. Love is good, never bad. I think we see it 'go bad' is because people just stopped loving and kept waiting to be love. Some people just get angry when they don't receive it.

You just can't afford to be self-centred when comes to love.

I was expecting someone to say that, but maybe I forgot it would be genie47.

True that love never goes bad, but human beings frequently do go bad. It is devastating when someone you love goes bad, such as Oskar's father, or one of your own children. Human beings contradict themselves all the time. I think it is possible to both hate and love someone at the same time.

"Love is good, never bad." It unfortunate, but we can't say the same thing about people. People can be both good, and bad at the same time. People can be both self-centered and self-less etc. That is the tricky part.