No, I just want to be with you

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Re: No, I just want to be with you

Post by chuck_u._farley » Mon Jan 04, 2010 3:56 pm

have kept away from this thread up until now, and rereading once again I am reminded why I wanted to stay away.

I don't see Eli and Oskar as having a sexual relationship. To me this is more like the relationship between two brothers, or a brother and a sister, or a parent and a child. People need the acceptance and physical affection that comes with love, apart from sexuality. I sometimes think the latter is only a vehicle for the former, forcing solitary creatures to seek out the affection that they really need. That is what Eli is doing in this story, seeking out the love and acceptance that she so desperately needs. Eli is a supernatural creature, capable of performing miracles, but Eli hates herself because she is a vampire. That Oskar loves Eli, and continues to accept Eli, all evidence to the contrary comes as a kind of miracle to for Eli. "I am this loathsome thing, and yet Oskar loves me."

As for the future, I think Lindqvist was wise to end the novel where he does. I can't see a happy prognosis for Eli and Oskar, if only because Eli lives in a different "time zone" from the rest of humanity. As Oskar notes in the novel, Eli will never grow up, Eli will always be a child.
I talked about this with my girlfriend, being curious what a girl thinks about this. It was interesting conversation, girls keep succeding to amaze me... Funny thing was, she was not confused or perplexed about the story and its sensible parts, like i have been. She just accepted the things given by the writer and did not think twice about them. No "why this, and why that, could this be, or could this be not".
I do not know, that only she approaches the story so cool, or girls in general.
Anyway, she was on a different opinion than me, but the her point was, that in the end it is irrelevant what it is, or is not, because she saw the whole thing as Eli's move to turn Oskar into a new Hakan. I could not convince her of the opposite.

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Re: No, I just want to be with you

Post by Wolfchild » Mon Jan 04, 2010 4:42 pm

chuck_u._farley wrote:Anyway, she was on a different opinion than me, but the her point was, that in the end it is irrelevant what it is, or is not, because she saw the whole thing as Eli's move to turn Oskar into a new Hakan. I could not convince her of the opposite.
How marvelously cynical. You must infect her and then get her to post here. :D
...the story derives a lot of its appeal from its sense of despair and a darkness in which the love of Eli and Oskar seems to shine with a strange and disturbing light.
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Re: No, I just want to be with you

Post by chuck_u._farley » Tue Jan 05, 2010 5:29 pm

Quote Wolfchild Re: No, I just want to be with you
by Wolfchild » Mon Jan 04, 2010 5:42 pm

chuck_u._farley wrote:
Anyway, she was on a different opinion than me, but the her point was, that in the end it is irrelevant what it is, or is not, because she saw the whole thing as Eli's move to turn Oskar into a new Hakan. I could not convince her of the opposite.

How marvelously cynical. You must infect her and then get her to post here.
chuck_u._farley wrote:Anyway, she was on a different opinion than me, but the her point was, that in the end it is irrelevant what it is, or is not, because she saw the whole thing as Eli's move to turn Oskar into a new Hakan. I could not convince her of the opposite.
How marvelously cynical. You must infect her and then get her to post here. :D
Nah, that's rather unlikely. She was not as much affected (or infected) by the story as i was. But yesterday evening an acquaintance - who happens to be in the opposite sex - called me up, and asked how i was. I told her the usual things (in short: the same shit, just different), but then i asked her wether she heard about the film or novel. She did not. I asked a lot of sensitive question which were in the novel, and her opinion about, and her opinion as a girl. At the end we talked approx. for 40 minutes. She agreed with me in some things, and she did not in others. But, she asked me if i could lend her the DVD...
One new possible victim. :D
Oh, and she was on true love side. :)

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Re: No, I just want to be with you

Post by lombano » Sun Jan 10, 2010 7:24 pm

chuck_u._farley wrote: On the physical side
I guess sex will happen between them later on. It’s only a question of when. As Oskar grows, his interest in the opposite sex will rise to a level when things just happen. That’s natural and i consider celibacy more unnatural than being in love with a vampire. :) ...
A sexual component to their relationship would be, in my view, inherently abusive/exploitative because Eli is profoundly asexual (sexual contact, as distinct from other forms of physical affection, is something Eli will never want or enjoy in itself) and also because she's had rather traumatic experiences in connection with sexuality. It also seems to be assumed that an older Oskar would be sexually attracted to Eli in particular, which is not the only conceivable scenario - their love arose without sexuality, after all.

Welcome, by the way.
gattoparde59 wrote: I don't see Eli and Oskar as having a sexual relationship. To me this is more like the relationship between two brothers, or a brother and a sister, or a parent and a child. People need the acceptance and physical affection that comes with love, apart from sexuality.
It is like those relationships in its asexuality, but it involves a wish to completely share their lives, live together, etc, that is different from those relationships. I view it as an asexual, but definitely romantic, relationship.
chuck_u._farley wrote:And Loch Ness is still a nice place with or without Nessie, isnt it? So they may reach it, even when the ride might be rough.
Yes, but without the Nessie myth it would just be another highland loch. But I agree with Wolfie that that doesn't mean you can't tell stories about it.
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