Håkan and Eli’s Gender

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Håkan and Eli’s Gender

Post by a_contemplative_life » Tue Jul 16, 2013 3:39 am

This is something that has been unclear to me: to what extent was Håkan aware of Eli's original gender and sexless post-turning condition?

In the novel, although more often than not Håkan simply refers to Eli as a genderless "beloved," there is at least one passage indicating that he considered Eli to be a girl:
Eli had started to behave more and more like the child her appearance gave her out to be; had started to move her body in a loose-limbed and careless way, use childish expressions, words. Wanted to play. Hide the Key. A few nights ago they had played Hide the Key. Eli had become angry when Håkan had not showed the necessary enthusiasm for the game, then tried to tickle him to get him to laugh. He had relished Eli's touch.

It was attractive, naturally. This joy, this . . . life. But also frightening, since it was something so foreign to him. He was both hornier and more scared than he had ever been since meeting her.
A few sentences later, he encounters Eli as Eli emerges, naked, from the shower:
The bathroom lock turned and the door opened. Eli was standing in front of him. Completely naked. Pure.

"Oh-you're sitting out here."

"Yes. You're beautiful."

"Thank you."

"Will you turn around for me?"

"Why?"

"Because ... I want you to."

"No; why don't you get up and move?"

"Maybe I'll say something .. . if you do this for me."

Eli looked quizzically at Håkan. Then turned 180 degrees.
It seems very clear from this that Håkan got a good look at Eli's body; yet, there is no suggestion that he noticed Eli's scar/sexlessness. Yet, later in the novel, Oskar was quick to realize there was a problem:
A short instrumental section and then the song was over. A mild crackling from the speakers, as the needle moved toward the next song, while Oskar looked at Eli.

The small nipples looked almost black against her pale white skin. Her upper body was slender, straight, and without much in the way of contours. Only the ribs stood out clearly in the sharp overhead light. Her thin arms and legs appeared unnaturally long the way they grew out of her body: a young sapling covered with human skin. Between the legs she had ... nothing. No slit, no penis. Just a smooth surface.

Oskar pulled his hand through his hair, let it rest cupped against his neck. He didn't want to say that ridiculous mommy-word, but it slipped out anyway.

"But you don't have a ... willie."


I'm not sure what to make of this. Are we to assume that Håkan is just an ignoramous when it comes to normal human genitalia? That would seem unlikely, given his penchant for porn ("Someone who worked at the post office and who lived in the area had tipped off the other neighbors about what kind of mail, what kind of videos he received"). Oskar presumably knew about female anatomy, as he ponders the photographs in a girlie magazine in the basement. I suppose one could argue that Oskar was in a somewhat different position than Håkan, because he had assumed from the get-go that Eli was a girl. But couldn't the same be said of Håkan, given the first passage above?

Can't figure this one out...
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Re: Håkan’s and Eli’s Gender

Post by EEA » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:07 am

I can't figure it out either.
Then once Hakan pours the acid in his face he imagines Eli as an angel boy coming to saved him.

"He conjured up the image of his beloved as an angel. A boy angel flying down from heaven, spreading his wings, who was going to pick him up."

Maybe Hakan did know Eli was a boy, but he saw Eli as a girl. :think:

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Re: Håkan’s and Eli’s Gender

Post by drakkar » Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:57 am

Eli had started to behave more and more like the child her appearance gave her out to be; had started to move her body in a loose-limbed and careless way, use childish expressions, words.
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He was both hornier and more scared than he had ever been since meeting her.
It is one of those translation issues.
The original says, with a direct English(ish) translation:
Eli betedde sig alltmer som det barn utseendet utgav, hade børjat slänga med kroppen, använda barnsliga uttrykk, ord. Ville leka.
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Han var både kåtare och räddare än han varit sedan dom träffades.


Eli started to behave more and more like the child the appearance indicated; had started to move the body in a loose-limbed and careless way, use childish expressions, words. Wanted to play.
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He was both hornier and more scared than he had ever been since they met
.
See? His gender isn't mentioned. IIRC Oskar is the only person who denotes Eli as a girl.

But, as this stage, the reader doesn't know that Eli is a boy either, that comes later, when Oskar finds out. But the others: Lacke and Gösta sees a kid.
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Re: Håkan’s and Eli’s Gender

Post by EEA » Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:09 am

Interesting. So it's a translation issue.
Thanks for the translation in English. :)

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Re: Håkan’s and Eli’s Gender

Post by metoo » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:13 am

About Håkan's awareness of Eli's current sexless gender: Håkan is not surprised when Eli emerges naked from the bath room. He would be, if he didn't know.
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Re: Håkan’s and Eli’s Gender

Post by drakkar » Tue Jul 16, 2013 9:43 am

I wonder, when Eli picks up Håkan by the playground, does he recognise Eli as a boy right away? Since he has a preference for boy children it looks like he does, but this isn't clear. Perhaps looking into Eli's eyes told him (be me a little).
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Re: Håkan’s and Eli’s Gender

Post by gattoparde59 » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:20 am

This didn't really bother me. Håkan knows that Eli is no ordinary child, so any other abnormality would seem relatively trivial. Håkan is one of the clues that Eli is in fact a boy and not a girl. All of Håkan's sexual scenes involve boys.

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Re: Håkan’s and Eli’s Gender

Post by Ash » Tue Jul 16, 2013 10:51 am

It's ironic that Oskar who we all love, and Hakan who we all hate, both weren't bothered if Eli was either a boy or a girl. I wonder if John did that intentionally?

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Re: Håkan’s and Eli’s Gender

Post by sauvin » Tue Jul 16, 2013 5:46 pm

drakkar wrote:I wonder, when Eli picks up Håkan by the playground, does he recognise Eli as a boy right away? Since he has a preference for boy children it looks like he does, but this isn't clear. Perhaps looking into Eli's eyes told him (be me a little).
gattoparde59 wrote:This didn't really bother me. Håkan knows that Eli is no ordinary child, so any other abnormality would seem relatively trivial. Håkan is one of the clues that Eli is in fact a boy and not a girl. All of Håkan's sexual scenes involve boys.
metoo wrote:About Håkan's awareness of Eli's current sexless gender: Håkan is not surprised when Eli emerges naked from the bath room. He would be, if he didn't know.
I don't remember it being made clear that Hakan was ever certain of Eli's gender, or that he cared at all. Assuming he saw the same thing Oskar did, he may have just assumed that it was part of whatever processes were involved in her transformation from human to ... that. Oskar is just now discovering what she is, but Hakan has had to live with it and care for it for a while.

What I wonder is just how much Eli might have told him. Nobody had to twist her arm behind her back to get her to admit to Oskar her real name was Elias, but we've commented before that she seems to tell Hakan exactly as much as she thinks he needs to know in order to help her survive, but seemingly very little more. He was the dark, the grim, the heavy, the demanding to contrast against the dulcet tones of the children's laughter in the courtyard outside, and several passages in the novel clearly show Eli being confounded by the apparent convolutions of adult interaction.

The other two scenes where Hakan is shown very nearly "interacting" with boys in this view may be red herrings. It seems he strongly preferred boys, but Eli's real attraction seems to have been her calendar age, in his mind relieving him of responsibility for lusting after a person of her apparent age. I've read somewhere that many paedophiles may have a strong gender preference, but "at the end of the day" would settle for a person of either gender within the "appropriate" age bracket.

She was seriously older and seriously younger at the same time, and I'd think the demands she made eclipsed any concern he might have had about her true gender. In a way, it's "fortunate" he preferred boys; a man who prefers a girl might have had more trouble accepting her lack of outward gender.
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Re: Håkan’s and Eli’s Gender

Post by a_contemplative_life » Tue Jul 16, 2013 8:29 pm

drakkar wrote:
Eli had started to behave more and more like the child her appearance gave her out to be; had started to move her body in a loose-limbed and careless way, use childish expressions, words.
.
He was both hornier and more scared than he had ever been since meeting her.
It is one of those translation issues.
The original says, with a direct English(ish) translation:
Eli betedde sig alltmer som det barn utseendet utgav, hade børjat slänga med kroppen, använda barnsliga uttrykk, ord. Ville leka.
.
Han var både kåtare och räddare än han varit sedan dom träffades.


Eli started to behave more and more like the child the appearance indicated; had started to move the body in a loose-limbed and careless way, use childish expressions, words. Wanted to play.
.
He was both hornier and more scared than he had ever been since they met
.
See? His gender isn't mentioned. IIRC Oskar is the only person who denotes Eli as a girl.

But, as this stage, the reader doesn't know that Eli is a boy either, that comes later, when Oskar finds out. But the others: Lacke and Gösta sees a kid.
I should've guessed that a translation issue might be lurking here somewhere.

As Sauvin suggests, I suppose one argument might be that to Håkan, Eli was more than anything else, a child.

In a way, that somehow makes his appetites more disgusting. Not sure why, but it does to me.
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