How vulnerable is Abby?

SPiN · Post by **SPiN** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 7:06 pm

DavidZahir wrote:
SPiN wrote:
DavidZahir wrote:(notice she didn't need an adult's help moving his body?)

AHHHHHH
so all this time i thought Owen did it to complete the Thomas Cycle (tm)
so abby did it. and mopped up all the blood. that was on the floor. in the bathroom, on the door, on her clothes, on owens clothes. the hallway when the body is dragged out, then the stairwell. then when she smushes up the body into the crack, no blood is on the wall or on the edge of the crack...haha, im just playing. i just needed someone else (who likes LMI) to say abby did it. thanks Z
Well, how would Owen do that? I mean, he's a fairly scrawny twelve-year-old boy. How could he move that body?

ive read from those who's argument was that owen was next thomas in line and just a drone...so according to their logic, would stuff the body in the crack a la thomas, thereby completing the cycle...fair enough

but i never thought owen did...because, like you said, hes scrawny. unless abby sliced the body into pieces to allow owen to transport the cop there. im kidding.

varamiglite · Post by **varamiglite** » Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:43 pm

I never really thought too much as to how the cop got into the basement hidey-hole, but is it possible that Abby may have waited until night and flew him down there? It never really says in the movie whether a day or several days have passed by since his death. Also since there is no scene afterward like in LTROI of the empty apartment wouldn't it also be safe to assume she didn't even bother to clean the blood? I think the cop that was killed was the only one who had a hunch that the girl was involved so the possibility also exists that they didn't even look for him until the next day which would have been plenty of time for her to ditch the body and flee the scene even if she had left a mess. Nothing could really link back to her and the only person who knew Owen was involved is smooshed into a wall in the basement. Am I unreasonable in thinking that Abby was incredibly sloppy in disposing of the body and fleeing in the scene?

SPiN · Post by **SPiN** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 3:14 am

varamiglite wrote:I never really thought too much as to how the cop got into the basement hidey-hole, but is it possible that Abby may have waited until night and flew him down there? It never really says in the movie whether a day or several days have passed by since his death. Also since there is no scene afterward like in LTROI of the empty apartment wouldn't it also be safe to assume she didn't even bother to clean the blood? I think the cop that was killed was the only one who had a hunch that the girl was involved so the possibility also exists that they didn't even look for him until the next day which would have been plenty of time for her to ditch the body and flee the scene even if she had left a mess. Nothing could really link back to her and the only person who knew Owen was involved is smooshed into a wall in the basement. Am I unreasonable in thinking that Abby was incredibly sloppy in disposing of the body and fleeing in the scene?

Nah
Not unreasonable at all!
Rather, voice of reason!
Well, considering Abby and big Owen broke out of Los Alamos never to return, the blood trail is mute
Tman and I were just poking around. Nothing there.
But I am pondering the gaps in Abbys life where there were no caretakers cleaning ish up
She may have left many dead joggers in her wake. According to the actress, Abby is about 300 years old (citation needed), so some kind of FBI or authority squad should have been on her trail. I know, technology was limited but some where at some point a van helsing kinda guy would be on the hunt. Could be a fanfic son!

DavidZahir · Post by **DavidZahir** » Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:18 am

Well, here are the murders Abby does (and we see):

Jogger: She's still weak. Has to trick him into picking her up. Needs Thomas to dispose of the corpse.
Virginia: Attacked her when in a kind of 'frenzy' for blood, ran off when she was interrupted.
Thomas: Had no chance to do anything with the body.
Detective: At this point, she knows she has to leave. She hides the body in a room "no one knows about". We don't know what condition she left the apartment in. Neither do we know what happened to the Detective's car.
Bullies: She leaves them where they lie, then skeddadles with Owen.

SPiN · Post by **SPiN** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:07 pm

DavidZahir wrote:Well, here are the murders Abby does (and we see):

Jogger: She's still weak. Has to trick him into picking her up. Needs Thomas to dispose of the corpse.
Virginia: Attacked her when in a kind of 'frenzy' for blood, ran off when she was interrupted.
Thomas: Had no chance to do anything with the body.
Detective: At this point, she knows she has to leave. She hides the body in a room "no one knows about". We don't know what condition she left the apartment in. Neither do we know what happened to the Detective's car.
Bullies: She leaves them where they lie, then skeddadles with Owen.

excellent CSI work detective zahir.

varamiglite · Post by **varamiglite** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:31 pm

DavidZahir wrote:Well, here are the murders Abby does (and we see):

Jogger: She's still weak. Has to trick him into picking her up. Needs Thomas to dispose of the corpse.
Virginia: Attacked her when in a kind of 'frenzy' for blood, ran off when she was interrupted.
Thomas: Had no chance to do anything with the body.
Detective: At this point, she knows she has to leave. She hides the body in a room "no one knows about". We don't know what condition she left the apartment in. Neither do we know what happened to the Detective's car.
Bullies: She leaves them where they lie, then skeddadles with Owen.

So in all fairness she's fairly sloppy and careless, yes? I think a lot of how this works out so well in the movie is the time it was set in. If this were set 20 years later she would've been in deep stuff. It seems like this may have been discussed in another forum

Or maybe even on this one... I didn't really look at many of the prior posts. Regardless the police would have been hot on her trail if this were set in 2003, and she would always need a caretaker to clean up her messes. Even with her super strength and ability to fly and whatnot, I got a feeling she plans things out about the same as any 12 year old would... not well.

SPiN · Post by **SPiN** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:37 pm

varamiglite wrote:I got a feeling she plans things out about the same as any 12 year old would... not well.

"i need to get in there"
awkward pause...
"MOo0o0oVE!!"

poor Thomas.
all that work and no love.
if you read the screenplay Kansas Dave aka KD, you will grow to hate abby...i havent read it all, but i heard things...

varamiglite · Post by **varamiglite** » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:56 pm

SPiN wrote:
varamiglite wrote:I got a feeling she plans things out about the same as any 12 year old would... not well.

"i need to get in there"
awkward pause...
"MOo0o0oVE!!"

poor Thomas.
all that work and no love.
if you read the screenplay Kansas Dave aka KD, you will grow to hate abby...i havent read it all, but i heard things...

In that case I may avoid it. I enjoy the fact that I like Abby for the most part, not sure I want to tarnish that. There are aspects of her I don't like, especially in the scene you mentioned. It irked me that she could wash her hands of Thomas so easily. Just outta curiosity how does one go about getting their hands on the screenplay?!?

sauvin · Post by **sauvin** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:07 am

varamiglite wrote:
SPiN wrote:
varamiglite wrote:I got a feeling she plans things out about the same as any 12 year old would... not well.

"i need to get in there"
awkward pause...
"MOo0o0oVE!!"

poor Thomas.
all that work and no love.
if you read the screenplay Kansas Dave aka KD, you will grow to hate abby...i havent read it all, but i heard things...
In that case I may avoid it. I enjoy the fact that I like Abby for the most part, not sure I want to tarnish that. There are aspects of her I don't like, especially in the scene you mentioned. It irked me that she could wash her hands of Thomas so easily. Just outta curiosity how does one go about getting their hands on the screenplay?!?

I have read the screenplay and wound up loving her more. I read it and jumped right into here to ask if anybody knew why the movie wound up being so radically different.

Spin, I'd suggest reading things before condemning them.

SPiN · Post by **SPiN** » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:32 am

No condemning sir
I'm still in the abby camp.

I was just pointing out specific instances where abby acts like a total 12 year old girl with no regards to someone feelings
Specifically, the scene in the screenplay that was left out of the movie where owen and thomas meet...(No spoiler) and he says something to our young hero...then the reaction of Abby towards Thomas when Owen isn't looking
Don't worry Kansas Dave, it won't change your mind. It didn't change mine. Just enforcing the 12 year old girl tendencies abby displays. All 12 year olds do it when they get a new toy and throw away the old one

Mr Sauvin, I'm a fan of Abby and Owen.
I know that her intentions are pure. My apologies to you if my description infers my disdain for Abby. Which is not how I feel.

Google it DK. It think it was from 09.
Terrific read. Its has all the missing scenes from the movies.

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