EEA wrote:If I go with what my heart tells me. It argues that Abby and Owen were just two lost kids who found in each other the rescue that they were looking for.
im happy with this...anything else would be uncivilized.
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EEA wrote:If I go with what my heart tells me. It argues that Abby and Owen were just two lost kids who found in each other the rescue that they were looking for.
You're not thinking evil enough. Isn't it an entirely arbitrary act on Abby's part? To say, "Don't look" and climb into bed naked and bloody at the same time. If she had the presence of mind to say "don't look" she should have the presence of mind to at least wipe the blood off her face first. A truly evil Abby would have used this as a test of obedience. It's a test to see if Owen will obey her, just because she asked. No other reason. Kind of like, God saying don't eat the apple, but putting the tree right there. Anyone care to guess what would happen if Owen had turned around and seen Abby's bloody face? CHOMP!sauvin wrote: If we want to go with the Evil Abby hypothesis, we can assert everything we've just asserted, with the addition that she may also have deliberately jumped into his bed naked with the express purpose of seeing if he'll react to it the way an older boy or man might. We could even hypothesise that she'd deliberately tried to provoke a sexual response just to turn it away (but gently, oh, so gently, all part of the carefully orchestrated recruitment process...)
Or a really awkward "Um, don't scream, please, I can explain..." kind of moment, "but no... please... wait... stop screaming... I won't hurt you, I promise! I can explain...! Can't you give me a minute...!? Please!?"cmfireflies wrote:You're not thinking evil enough. Isn't it an entirely arbitrary act on Abby's part? To say, "Don't look" and climb into bed naked and bloody at the same time. If she had the presence of mind to say "don't look" she should have the presence of mind to at least wipe the blood off her face first. A truly evil Abby would have used this as a test of obedience. It's a test to see if Owen will obey her, just because she asked. No other reason. Kind of like, God saying don't eat the apple, but putting the tree right there. Anyone care to guess what would happen if Owen had turned around and seen Abby's bloody face? CHOMP!sauvin wrote: If we want to go with the Evil Abby hypothesis, we can assert everything we've just asserted, with the addition that she may also have deliberately jumped into his bed naked with the express purpose of seeing if he'll react to it the way an older boy or man might. We could even hypothesise that she'd deliberately tried to provoke a sexual response just to turn it away (but gently, oh, so gently, all part of the carefully orchestrated recruitment process...)
I doubt an explanation would help, let's seesauvin wrote: Or a really awkward "Um, don't scream, please, I can explain..." kind of moment, "but no... please... wait... stop screaming... I won't hurt you, I promise! I can explain...! Can't you give me a minute...!? Please!?"
Light and dark, both at the same time. We can now be pretty sure that Eli used something like gasoline to accelerate and disguise the Cancer Lady’s demise. Eli herself is death, and she brought clues and reminders of it into her boyfriend’s bedroom.LTROI Novel wrote:A cold hand crept over his stomach and found tis way to his chest, over his heart. he put both hands over it, warming her hand. Eli’s other hand worked its way under his armpit and then up over his chest and in between his hands. Eli turned her head and laid her cheek between his shoulder blades.
A new smell had entered the room. The faint smell of his dad’s moped when it was fully tanked. Gasoline. Oskar bent his head down and smelled her hands. Yes, the smell was coming from her hands.
They lay like that for a long time. When Oskar could tell from his mom’s breathing that she had fallen asleep again,when the lump of their hands was warmed through and starting to get sweaty, he whispered:
“Where have you been?”
“Getting some food.”
Her lips tickled his shoulder because she’d been grazing it, the way slow-handed lovers are apt to do? She’d already been kissing him, maybe. With affection, maybe already with love.LTROI Novel wrote:Her lips tickled his shoulder. She loosened her hands from his, rolled over on her back. Oskar stayed in the same position for a moment and looked into Gene Simmon’s eyes. Then he turned onto his stomach. Behind her head he imagined the tiny figure in the wallpaper eyeing her with curiosity. Her eyes were wide open, blue-black in the moonlight. Oskar got goosepimples on his arms.
He can ask anything he wants, but Eli won’t necessarily answer. We can’t be sure why she doesn’t, precisely, but we know Oskar knows nothing about her, her relationship with Hakan and what Hakan really is. Maybe she’s worried that Hakan had run off, and trying not to think about it. Maybe, too, she’s worried he’d been captured or killed, and still trying not to think about it. Mostly, though, I think Eli just doesn’t want to discuss it right now, partly because she’s not prepared to try to explain about her relationship to her “Dad” and partly because she just doesn’t want to ruin the moment.LTROI Novel wrote:“What about your dad?”
“Gone.”
“Gone?” Oskar couldn’t help raising his voice.
“Shhh. It doesn’t matter.”
“But... what... is he--?”
“It. Doesn’t. Matter.”
Oskar nodded, signaling that he wasn’t going to ask her any more questions, and Eli put both her hands under her head, staring up at the ceiling.
She very clearly admits here what I’d suspected in both movies. Together with the kind of snuggling she did just a few paragraphs earlier, what emerges (for me) is nothing more than one child reaching out to another for contact, solace and comfort. Eli wanted these things for Eli, true, but she’s showing awareness that Oskar could be experiencing some discomfort with her nudity, and I’d suspect that - boy or girl - she’d be pleased at his concern for her own possible discomfort.LTROI Novel wrote:“I was feeling lonely. So I came here. Was that OK?”
“Yes. But... you don’t have any clothes on.”
“I’m sorry. Is that disgusting?”
“No. But aren’t you freezing?”
“No, no.”
If you don’t remember the novel, briefly, the scene at what I usually call “the candy store” didn’t include Eli bravely trying to choke down some candy and vomiting it back out. What it did include, though, that wasn’t in the movie was some hilariously childlike joking about the kiosk’s owner being a gorilla escaped from the zoo and locked up in the kiosk. That scene alone is worth looking for - I’d been rereading the novel out in my car during lunch breaks and had folks in neighbouring cars wondering if maybe I hadn’t finally lost the remainder of my mind, I was laughing so hard. The scene was as light-hearted, carefree and companionable as any child could ask for.LTROI Novel wrote:“You didn’t happen to walk past the Lover’s Kiosk or anything?”
Eli laughed, then made her voice very serious and said with a ghostly voice:
“Yes, I did and you know what? He poked his head out and said: ‘Coooome... coooom... I have candy and... banaaaanas...’”
Oskar buried his face in the pillow. Eli turned her head toward his and whispered in his ear: “Cooome... jelly beans...”
Oskar shouted: “No, no!” into the pillow. They kept doing this for a while. Then Eli looked at the books in his bookcase and Oskar gave a synopsis of his favorite: The Fog by James Herbert. Eli’s back glowed like a sheet of paper in the dark as she lay there on her stomach in bed and studied the bookcase.
The lightheartedness continues. For these few moments, I’d almost be willing to bet anything Eli forgot who and what she was. This was Oskar’s unwitting gift to her, to make her feel human again. This is what Eli is like when the darkness is driven away.LTROI Novel wrote:He held his hand so close to her skin that he could feel the warmth from it. Then he contracted his fingers and walked them slowly down her back whispering “Bulleribulleribock. How many horns are sticking... up?”
“Mmm. Eight?”
“Eight you say and eight there are, bulleribulleribock.”
The Eli did the same to him, but he was not at all as good at telling how many fingers there were as she was. On the other hand, he was much better at rock, paper, scissors. Seven to three. then they played again. He won nine to one. Eli started to get a little irritated.
“Do you *know* what I am going to pick?”
“Yes.”
“How?”
“I just know, that’s all. It happens all the time. I get a picture in my head.”
“One more time. I won’t think this time, just choose.”
“You can try.”
They played again. Oskar won easily with eight-two. Eli pretended to be enraged, turned to the wall.
“I”m not playing with you. You cheat.”
Any takers on what the first thought to cross her mind might have been? She pulled the covers all the way up to her chin, literally to cover her nakedness (that doesn’t in and of itself necessarily mean anything to her, but she knows it very well might mean something to him) and metaphorically to hide her emotional vulnerability.LTROI Novel wrote:Oskar looked at her white back. Did he dare? Yes, now that she wasn’t looking at her he could do it.
“Eli. Will you go out with me?”
She turned around, pulled the covers up to her chin.
“What does that mean?”
Suspicious and hard, indeed. She's already had a term of cohabitation with a paedophile, and the novel contains at least one hint that Hakan hadn’t been the first.LTROI Novel wrote:Oskar stared at the spines of the books in front of him, shrugged.
“That... you would want to be together with me.”
“What do you mean ‘together’?”
Her voice sounded suspicious, hard.
Maybe she already has another guy at her school. Well, another guy, at any rate. Oskar is communicating that he’s willing to respect any prior commitments Eli might have made, and it’s this that began allaying her suspicions.LTROI Novel wrote: Oskar hurriedly said: “Maybe you already have a guy at your school.”
“No, I don’t.... but Oskar, I can’t. I’m not a girl.”
The movies leave us wondering if she’s talking about being a vampire rather than being a girl; in Abby’s case, she could also be denying being a boy. Either girl could be talking about not being human or vampire - she could be flatly denying being anything, just anything at all.LTROI Novel wrote:Oskar snorted. “What do you mean? You’re a guy?”
“No, no.”
“Then what are you?
“Nothing.”
“What do you mean, ‘nothing’?”
“I’m nothing. Not a child. Not old. Not a boy. Not a girl. Nothing.”
The novel leaves me with the same feeling I’d had from the movies, that one of the things Eli objected to was the possibility of change. She wouldn’t particularly care for any fundamental change in her relationship with Oskar, even knowing as she must that it’s almost necessarily only for a short while before she’ll be forced again to move. Change is bad enough when you’re young and full of energy and don’t have much to worry about, but for Eli, any change is very likely bad change, and she already contends with enough of it on a monthly or weekly basis.LTROI Novel wrote:Oskar pulled his finger down the spine of The Rats, pinched his lips together and shook his head. “Will you go out with me or not?”
“Oskar, I’d really like to but... can’t we just be together like we already are?”
OK, so he isn’t looking for some kind of label to put on their relationship in order to justify trying to take from her something she doesn’t really want to give. In fact, she’s not really sure she understands what’s happening here at all.LTROI Novel wrote:“...yes.”
“Are you sad? We can kiss, if you like.”
“No!”
“You don’t want to?”
“No, I don’t!”
Eli frowned.
It’s official, now. He’s not looking for anything except a confirmation that they have something together. He hardly needed bother, but you wouldn’t have been able to tell him that. Son of an alcoholic, often home alone as his mother works, isolated and bullied at school, and with just about nobody to really listen to him, it’s not much of a wonder he sought this confirmation.LTROI Novel wrote:“Do you do anything in particular with someone you’re going out with?”
“No.”
“It’s just like normal?”
“Yes.”
Eli looked suddenly happy., folded her arms over her stomach, and gazed at Oskar.
But it wouldn’t be “like we did before”, would it? He’s gotten his indication of commitment, and she’s gotten to know where Oskar’s head is a lot more fully. He needs her in a way she might never before have experienced.LTROI Novel wrote:“The we can go out. We can be together.”
“We can?”
“Yes.”
“Good.”
With a quiet happiness in his belly, Oskar kept studying the titles of the books. Eli lay still, waiting. After a while she said:
“Is there anything else?”
“No.”
“Can’t we lie down together again like we did before?”
He knew he was asleep? I never know when I’m asleep! Could this be another example of Gattoparde’s “vampire glamour”, that she didn’t want to answer his question and so decided to zap him?LTROI Novel wrote:Oskar rolled around so his back was against her. She put her arms around him and he took her hands. They lay like that until Oskar started to get sleepy. His eyes felt sandy; it was hard to keep them open. Before he slid off into sleep he said:
“Eli?”
“Mmmm?”
“I’m glad you came over.”
“Yes.”
“Why... do you smell like gasoline?”
Eli’s hands gripped more tightly around his hands, against his heart. Hugged. The room grew larger all around Oskar, the walls and ceiling softened, the floor fell away, and when he felt the whole bed floating in the air he knew he was asleep.
cmfireflies wrote:
Oh it's OK, see this isn't my blood. It's my dad's blood. Who I had to kill after he was caught murdering people so I could drink their blood. But I'm totally full now, even though I'm a vampire. And my dad isn't really my dad, he was my boyfriend from 30 years ago, and he was jealous of you, but he's dead now, unless he comes back as a zombie because I didn't kill him properly. But that almost never happens. Probably. Hey it feels so good to let it out, you know? Wait, where are you going? And why are you clutching that crucifix?