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Re: There is NO other way to say it...I too HATED this movie

Post by ofelia » Mon Aug 29, 2011 4:17 am

It's weird, I actually really liked it. (I may have said that before, maybe even on this thread :roll: ) But I think for me the distance was great enough between this and the book that I could accept it as its own thing, while retaining the very basic ideas and plot structure of the book. My problem is that I expected too much of the LTROI film because of what's on this site and others, and it fell a little short for me. The book was just amazing in ways that may not even work on film at all. And LMI is visually a very beautiful film and very different from most American horror stories. So as an introductory piece, I think it works well, because if it leads you to the other two then you'll feel incredibly lucky to have gone in that direction. It probably wasn't best for me to read the book first in terms of being able to love the original film, but I am eternally glad to have gotten to read the book first and develop my own idea of the characters, since Lina and Kåre (and Per Ragnar I should say) are so... there's no other word for it, infectious :D

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Re: There is NO other way to say it...I too HATED this movie

Post by Bustedstuff15 » Mon Aug 29, 2011 5:07 am

danielma wrote:Oh I forgot to mention the obnoxious soundtrack. I hated the soundtrack and its constant playing over EVERY scene. Once again it just feels like its trying to hammer emotion into you to cover up the fact that there is very little genuine emotion going on screen.

Also did anyone else notice this goof...when Abby enters the hospital, I swear to god NO ONE INVITES HER IN...either I missed it, but I swear to god No One Invites her in

Same goes for the Pool Scene, No One Invites her in what so ever and yet we clearly cut to her breaking in, but yet not a single soul invites her in...did anyone else notice that there are at least two times where she doesn't get invited in and did it annoy anyone else like it did me?
In the book Eli doesnt get invited into the hospital. That is something that they added into the LTROI film. So I dont think you can hate on LMI for that
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Re: There is NO other way to say it...I too HATED this movie

Post by kahx » Tue Nov 22, 2011 6:47 pm

They didn't make Abby likeable enough in LMI, despite the fact that we are clearly supposed to with all those scenes with the sweet music. There wasn't a good scene that showed something 'in-between', something that is not super nice as she is with owen and tearing people up or yelling in a demon voice.

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Re: There is NO other way to say it...I too HATED this movie

Post by sauvin » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:05 pm

kahx wrote:They didn't make Abby likeable enough in LMI, despite the fact that we are clearly supposed to with all those scenes with the sweet music. There wasn't a good scene that showed something 'in-between', something that is not super nice as she is with owen and tearing people up or yelling in a demon voice.
You would say maybe the movie spent too much time focusing on her dualism and not enough on her?
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Re: There is NO other way to say it...I too HATED this movie

Post by kahx » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:18 pm

sauvin wrote:
kahx wrote:They didn't make Abby likeable enough in LMI, despite the fact that we are clearly supposed to with all those scenes with the sweet music. There wasn't a good scene that showed something 'in-between', something that is not super nice as she is with owen and tearing people up or yelling in a demon voice.
You would say maybe the movie spent too much time focusing on her dualism and not enough on her?
Yeah if you mean dualism, as in just showing the 2 almost bipolar aspects of her-super nice and demon. For me, without the in-between mode I can only see Abby as just a manipulator. That's not a problem though (being a manipulator), but it's like her actress and Reeves didn't realize that they had forgotten to include scenes to increase the audience's empathy with Abby. It feels like a glaring mistake on their part.

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Post by lombano » Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:39 pm

kahx wrote:t's like her actress and Reeves didn't realize that they had forgotten to include scenes to increase the audience's empathy with Abby. It feels like a glaring mistake on their part.
I think they cut them out rather than not filming them. Both Abby getting burned after a sleepover with Owen, and esp. the turning/'be me a little' scene were filmed and would0ve considerably added to sympathy for her. I wouldn't blame CGM, actors don't normally call the shots on what gets filmed.
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Post by gazlennon » Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:05 pm

It's strange how people interpret things differently, as my overiding emotion throughout LMI was one of sympathy for Abby's plight and her struggle with it.

I find it hard not to empathise with her charcter when she seems to be locked in an inexorable battle to fit back into human society, and contain the beast within. The pharmacy scene is gut-wrenching for me, as we see Abby desperately trying to connect with Owen by taking the candy. She knows the outcome, but it's as if it worth one more chance just in case things turn out differently this time.

There are other little factors such as her reaction to Owen reading Romeo & Juliet, and her love of puzzles. They remind me that she's just a little girl who needs love and companionship as much as the next. Contrast that to the safe knowledge that she's trapped in this cycle of misery and I'm hooked.

Abby doesn't seem as well adjusted to her situation as Eli. There isn't, for example, a scene of Abby humming to herself, lost in her own thoughts, as we see when Eli finds Hakan preparing to go out. Abby is altogether a more sombre, mournful character. But that's how I imagine a lonely, tortured twelve year-old to be. I love the chipper Eli character, but the downtrodden Abby giving way to the smiling re-born Abby we see when she interacts with Owen is, for me, a beautiful rendition of hope springing from the darkest depths.

In terms of straight empathy, I find myself rooting for her when she's killing the innocents. That's a strange turn-of-events, but highlights how desperate I find myself wanting her to get through the darkness and find some light with Owen.

If Abby was shown to be more 'normal' in some sense I think it would lose some of the contrast that makes it work for me.

Just my opinion...

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Re: There is NO other way to say it...I too HATED this movie

Post by sauvin » Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:20 pm

I've been trying for two years to figure out precisely what it was about Eli and/or her relationship with Oskar compelled me so, and have so far failed. I'm beginning to believe it might be too subtle for me, or that it falls into Goedel's black space. Something similar is true of Abby, but to a much lesser extent, and this might be cultural blindness on my part: Eli and Oskar are Swedish, where Abby and Owen are very American.

Movie Eli's always seemed a bit "wooden" to me, very much the opposite of how novel Eli strikes me. In the novel, we get to see Eli getting a good belly laugh hooting something about bananas at the kiosk, leaving Oskar trying not to scream out laughing into his pillow. We see the kids in the basement playing knights and dragons. In fact, in the novel, they really are just kids who enjoy immensely spending time together. In the movie? More of a soap opera paced like a kind of balletic pavane. Eli doesn't ever come across as "chipper" to me, she's just too rigidly controlled and guarded most of the time.

Mind you, I'm talking about movie Eli. This isn't a criticism of LL's performance or of TA's direction. My presumption is that Eli's woodenness was deliberate, and it works because it gives much greater emphasis to the occasional tendernesses the kids share.

Abby wasn't wooden. Oppressed, maybe, and almost certainly dejected, but Abby doesn't come across as being so tightly wired. If anything, she's "slinkier", a lot more open in some ways. Open to possibility, but also more prone to being broadsided by twists of fate or the tides of change. I suppose the key scene making me say this is in the basement clubhouse when Owen tells her to close her eyes - she just stands there, facing Owen, eyes closed and a happily expectant smile on her face. She knows Owen knows she doesn't do well with candy, so she's not expecting Owen to pop a Now & Later into her mouth, so... what do you suppose she's anticipating?

I don't like Abby as well as I do Eli, and can't say why. Maybe it's just because she'd been there first, but I think it's faintly possible if I'd seen LMI first, I'd be saying much the same things I've been saying about Abby vs. Eli, but from the opposite perspective, liking Abby more than Eli and not being able to say why.
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Re: There is NO other way to say it...I too HATED this movie

Post by Lucibel » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:22 pm

Hate is a strong word. I did feel dirty after watching it, though. Very.

The problem with LMI is that LTROI exists. So yeah... when compared toe to toe, it's a very lousy adaptation. I'll give LMI the credit that thanks to it, a lot more people got to know LTROI 8-)
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Re: There is NO other way to say it...I too HATED this movie

Post by intrige » Wed Jan 04, 2012 10:03 pm

I like book Eli a whole lot too, even though I saw LTROI the movie first. I don't think it had anything to do with LL's acting, it''s just the choise of scenes. Instead of making Eli and Oskar laugh over babanas, Eli ate the cando, got a hug and aswers for some very obious questions. In the deleted scene where Oskar and Eli end up hissing to each other I would say is a very childish (in a good way) way to handle their situasion, or: Making op for what just had happen. Eli in film and book is also very wired, akward. Abby isn't really that, Reevs tried her to be, but it didn't work.
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