How long will we stay infected?

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Re: How long will we stay infected?

Post by sauvin » Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:01 pm

I have no way of knowing exactly when my infection began. As I remember it, I bought the DVD at Walmart, put it on some pile of "movies I gotta watch", and it was a bit of time before it came out of its packaging. When it went into a DVD drive, I watched it in fits and starts for quite a while before taking it in for real. Mostly, it was there just to have something to listen to.

It's significant that I sought out discussion of it. I've never sought out discussion boards for any work of fiction. It was, in fact, because of LTROI that I discovered that IMDB had discussion boards, and I spent a couple of months there (getting to be more and more frustrated) before some kind soul invited me here. 6 Decembre of 2009 is my first documentable interaction with the movie, and in the intervening four and a half years, I've "documented" just about every little thing that caught my eye or ear on this board, sometimes at wearing length. :lol:

It doesn't live in the fore as much as it used to, but it's never far away, either. Much of the sound track will bounce around in my head while I'm driving, or at work doing something mindlessly boring. I can't see this changing any time soon.
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Re: How long will we stay infected?

Post by dongregg » Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:52 pm

sauvin wrote:It's significant that I sought out discussion of it. I've never sought out discussion boards for any work of fiction.
I'm not in any way a "fanboy," either. I didn't know discussion boards existed until I started reading every review and discussion of the film that I could find on the Internet. And even at that, it took four months for me to stumble onto WTI. Though I can be enthusiastic about outstanding creative works (music, film, doesn't matter what), LTROI had the ability to completely enthrall me. I can identify a number of things about the film that contribute to the effect, but I still have no definitive answer as to why it still has such a hold on me.
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Re: How long will we stay infected?

Post by Wolfchild » Fri Jul 11, 2014 1:42 am

dongregg wrote:I can identify a number of things about the film that contribute to the effect, but I still have no definitive answer as to why it still has such a hold on me.
Word. I think that all of the effort that I have put into building this has been just because I thought it might lead to answer. I can't claim any success in that regard. :think:

One thing that has happened is that now I'm sort of an on again, off again movie junkie. For me, Infection has also had aspects of addiction. It was a revelation to me that any piece of media could have an effect like this on me. I want more. I don't really believe in the number "1". I believe that in nature there are only two numbers: 0 and ∞. Either something can never happen, or it can happen an infinite number of times. So now I seek out art house films and dramas in the hope that there is some other film somewhere that can give me a taste of the same juice as Låt den rätte komma in.

I had hoped that Matt Reeves' Let Me In could give me a little charge. Apparently for some people it was a full spoonful. I however, not toushed by it. I have seen a lot great films and a lot of not great films that contain great individual performances, directing, cinematography and so on. I've even seen some that I know I will watch more than once, like Il y a longtemps que je t'aime and 12 and Holding. Despite this, there has been nothing that even comes close to Låt den rätte komma in.

So not only does the Infection continue, so does the unrequited addiction. Given the meaning of the term "Infection" in LTROI, I suppose a link to addiction is all too apropos. I'm just still trying to find Håkan's window at the hospital. :lol:
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Re: How long will we stay infected?

Post by dongregg » Fri Jul 11, 2014 2:16 am

Wolfchild wrote:...So now I seek out art house films and dramas in the hope that there is some other film somewhere that can give me a taste of the same juice as Låt den rätte komma in...I have seen a lot great films and a lot of not great films that contain great individual performances, directing, cinematography and so on. I've even seen some that I know I will watch more than once, like Il y a longtemps que je t'aime and 12 and Holding. Despite this, there has been nothing that even comes close to Låt den rätte komma in.
To which I can only add a sigh and a wub.
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Re: How long will we stay infected?

Post by sauvin » Fri Jul 11, 2014 4:29 am

There was some reviewer, wish I could dig that reference up again, who said of LTROI that it neatly managed not to be everything that it is (or, with subtle enough difference, managed to be everything that it's not); it's a movie that prominently features a vampire, but it's not a vampire movie, it's a romance where things don't get "romantic", it's a coming-of-age story where nobody really "comes of age". This is as apt a description as any I've ever seen, and akin to what I tried to convey long time ago in noting that the kids are in "liminal" states, one being perpetually so, and conflated this liminal condition with a kind of Goedelian undecidability on many different fronts, chiefly emotional and moral. I'm thinking the fact that we can't pigeonhole it is a pretty strong component of our lasting fascination with it.
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Re: How long will we stay infected?

Post by dongregg » Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:06 pm

sauvin wrote:There was some reviewer, wish I could dig that reference up again, who said of LTROI that it neatly managed not to be everything that it is (or, with subtle enough difference, managed to be everything that it's not); it's a movie that prominently features a vampire, but it's not a vampire movie, it's a romance where things don't get "romantic", it's a coming-of-age story where nobody really "comes of age". This is as apt a description as any I've ever seen, and akin to what I tried to convey long time ago in noting that the kids are in "liminal" states, one being perpetually so, and conflated this liminal condition with a kind of Goedelian undecidability on many different fronts, chiefly emotional and moral. I'm thinking the fact that we can't pigeonhole it is a pretty strong component of our lasting fascination with it.
This component means we get to the end of the film without being able to resolve a lot that we have seen and felt. As you point out, it isn't just the cognitive elements that we can't resolve, but the many feelings we experience. So, indeed, this component is a strong part of our lasting fascination with LTROI.

What I'm about to post has to take into account that, lacking the component you describe so well, the film could have gone south after the captivating opening. You will read that I was infected with the first viewing, and infected within the first 15 minutes. My initial feelings were that it was because of Eli and because of my awareness of the bold graphic elements. I felt, too, that the music and the down-to-earth nature of the film contributed to it. It was upon many subsequent viewings and, especially, reading how others explained their infection that my understanding grew. In the end, though, the parts are still not greater than the whole. IOW, I could identify so many of the elements in other films; yet, they are just favorites, not capable of enthralling me.

After reading your post, a new element comes to mind (about not being able to pigeonhole it): The film does not follow the usual trajectory. No matter how indie and so forth other films are, there is an element of entertainment, a somewhat predictable arc of set-up, complications, and resolution. Not in LTROI.

So your post gives me a new way of understanding the film. Here follows some things I have written before as I continue to stumble toward a more complete understanding:

Response to Jeremiad 9/05/2013 (WTI)

"I remember the black background of the intro, the red Låt den rätte komma in, and the falling snow. The music came up. Eli and Håkan were in the taxicab. Eli got out and entered the building, like visiting royalty. It is only as I reflect on this now that I accept that the infection had already set in. From that point, it is about 5 or 6 minutes before Eli appears on the jungle gym and asks Oskar what he's doing. That was the point at which it became incurable--or no later than when she jumped down. The next almost two hours just swept me along. Why did I not find those first 12 or 13 minutes (counting the intro) to be slow? Right now it seems to have been several things: I was enchanted by the graphics; the measured pace as the story unfolded felt right; the music evoked feelings of longing, among others. Finally, it was Eli: a mysterious, imperious girl moving in, and then her ghost-like, eerie appearance on the jungle gym.

"I knew I wanted to see the film again, and I did so many times before I found WTI. Initially, I could only imagine it was because of the graphic beauty of the film and a wonderful feeling it gave me each time I watched it. I had worked out some other reasons by the time I joined the forum, but all of you have helped me examine--not only the film--but what it is about me that responds to it."

Response to Shane Marais 5/24/2014 (IMDb)

"As I see from the LTROI forum that I am a member of, most (almost all) new fans see the film by accident, not because of the hype, and it strikes a chord with them. Many wonder, 'What’s wrong with me? I’m not usually like this about a movie!' So the film has a way of hitting some of us on a very deep level (and all the levels in between). No one has really figured out why, but I think it is related to artistic integrity. By that, I don’t mean indie and art house honesty. Rather, I mean the emotional, musical, and visual elements are integrated in such a way that they multiply the effects on one another."

Since writing that, my understanding has moved beyond the obvious aesthetic appeal of LTROI. I understand that much of my love for Eli and Oskar comes from a deep well of longing in me, a longing for lots of things that life won't be able to come up with. That can also account in part for why the forum means so much to me--it, too, connects with some of my longings.
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Re: How long will we stay infected?

Post by Child_Of_The_Corn » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:54 am

It has only been about 3 months for me.. more or less... This is something very new and unexpected for me. Nothing that I have seen, read or experienced in my somewhat long years has compelled me to join a board to find out more about these intense feeling that I am still having after watching this wonderful film. I was just surfing Netflix looking for something to watch one night and LTROI just caught my eye and decided to watch it. After the final credits rolled I felt an overpowering feeling of euphoria but also a deep sense of longing and sadness wash over me, it was very confusing and there was a vise like force gripping my heart that would not let go. I spent the next few weeks.. more or less.. walking around with these powerful feelings inside me. I could not fully grasp why this was happening to me. Believe you me, I thought I was going crazy. I started to search online to find out if there were others who had gone through what I have been going through in the last 3 months.. more or less..and I ended up here and am very glad of it.. So thank you for letting me ramble and I hope that my infection will be as long as some on here.
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Post by gkmoberg1 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:05 pm

@Child_Of_The_Corn, you are very welcome here. I found this place for the same reason and through the same route. I could have written just what you did. Yes, it's a confusing, bewildering state. I stumble around in mine for a month, likely more. May it last you a long time :twisted:

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Re: How long will we stay infected?

Post by a_contemplative_life » Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:43 am

Child_Of_The_Corn wrote:It has only been about 3 months for me.. more or less... This is something very new and unexpected for me. Nothing that I have seen, read or experienced in my somewhat long years has compelled me to join a board to find out more about these intense feeling that I am still having after watching this wonderful film. I was just surfing Netflix looking for something to watch one night and LTROI just caught my eye and decided to watch it. After the final credits rolled I felt an overpowering feeling of euphoria but also a deep sense of longing and sadness wash over me, it was very confusing and there was a vise like force gripping my heart that would not let go. I spent the next few weeks.. more or less.. walking around with these powerful feelings inside me. I could not fully grasp why this was happening to me. Believe you me, I thought I was going crazy. I started to search online to find out if there were others who had gone through what I have been going through in the last 3 months.. more or less..and I ended up here and am very glad of it.. So thank you for letting me ramble and I hope that my infection will be as long as some on here.
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Re: How long will we stay infected?

Post by gattoparde59 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:37 am

Child_Of_The_Corn wrote:It has only been about 3 months for me.. more or less... This is something very new and unexpected for me. Nothing that I have seen, read or experienced in my somewhat long years has compelled me to join a board to find out more about these intense feeling that I am still having after watching this wonderful film. I was just surfing Netflix looking for something to watch one night and LTROI just caught my eye and decided to watch it. After the final credits rolled I felt an overpowering feeling of euphoria but also a deep sense of longing and sadness wash over me, it was very confusing and there was a vise like force gripping my heart that would not let go. I spent the next few weeks.. more or less.. walking around with these powerful feelings inside me. I could not fully grasp why this was happening to me. Believe you me, I thought I was going crazy. I started to search online to find out if there were others who had gone through what I have been going through in the last 3 months.. more or less..and I ended up here and am very glad of it.. So thank you for letting me ramble and I hope that my infection will be as long as some on here.
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