sauvin wrote:Wolfchild wrote:Abby has not found the love of a lifetime - at least not the love of her lifetime - and what's more she doesn't seem to understand the difference.
this is the end...perfectly said.
a very powerful statement in regards to our unending discussion about Abby.
This is the correct way to begin our analysis of Abby.
ill keep Eli and LTROI out of this, to respect everyone.
Abby is in love, rather the monster named Abby
has fallen in love. However, the statement is painfully obvious, she doesnt understand the difference.
does this make me love Abby? yes, because i
want her to love Owen and
TRUST Owen so bad. Whether hes ready or not, the kids dont have time to figure it out.
their relationship began organically. feeling each other out. im 33 and still trying to understand s@#$
do i love Abby? yes. but maybe i dont love the character, but how the actress portrayed the character.
dont shoot me! i know you think Eli (i know i was gonna leave it out, but have to make a point) is a dime. i get that. shes "cute"
but what if another actress played that role in LTORI and wasnt "cute" i may be shallow, but looks matter.
so with the monster named Abby, would i love a thing as grotesque, smelly, and potentially lethal to me?
yes, thats the point of love. you give in. you let them in.
so what if Reeves casted someone other than Chloe? dont want to consider it, but i probably wouldnt love Abby.
not sure im explaining myself clearly, but i know you know what i mean.
if the monster named Abby had crooked teeth and scars all over her face and walked with a limp, and had a horn sticking out of her head, Owen would think twice.
but Owen is intrigued. Abby is, after all...
cute.
a_contemplative_life wrote:I feel the same. I feel no emotional connection with Abbey.
thats fair. but im the opposite. the reason i enjoyed the film so damn much was that i had that emotional connection.
am i a vampire? no. but i have been in "shoes" wanting someone who i think wont like me, to like me...
im allergic to chocolate...but if abby offerred me a piece, i would eat it. this has happened in real life. if im feeling her, ill eat the choclate even tho my throat may clench up and i cant breathe for 10 mins.
DavidZahir wrote:Half the comments made about LMI here are baffling. Nowhere else have I found a forum with so many people determined to detest a film and everyone associated with it. Elsewhere people talk about the performances, about the cinematography, the music, what they think worked or did not about the film. Here people scour every frame and every interview searching for the slightest nuance so they can condemn. Most of all, they do not judge the film for itself. No, they are judging how faithful a copy of LTROI it might be--expressing indignation the closer it is, and searing contempt for the more different. A classic Catch 22. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
yep. execellent.
i would like to see CSI type break downs of scenes and not see where Abby or Owen failed to achieve the perfection of the original.
its ok! the films can be discussed seperately. lets get that out in the open...
LTROI is the truth. LMI is just that comic you read under your covers at night as a kid with a flashlight and prayed your parents didnt come rushing in making sure youre reading the original instead of the reeves version...
i dont know if im even able to engage in such thoughtful discussion. maybe after a while i will. but until then, LMI is the movie that brought me to the story of JAL's
sauvin wrote:I'm with Wolfchild: LMI did indeed bring something to the LTROI table. I'll go one further, though, by claiming that maybe part of the reason some of us hate it so much is that it brings in possibility many of us just can't countenance.
yes. 100.
Petris wrote:I cant even remember what Abby was like ...Eli hands down.
really tho?
i respect this statement, i do. but if you have passion for the story, how can you
not at least remember the monster named Abby?
Bioroid wrote:I definitely love Abby.
I love Eli too, but I for different reasons. Film Eli, I love mostly because as has been said, Lina's just so darn cute, cute to the point you almost forget she's likely to have you for dinner.
I love Book Eli because of the whole "I'm a boy" thing, which I really wish had been emphasized more in the LTROI and added to LMI.
But for Abby, I love her because
1. She seems older than Eli, more "pretty" and less "cute," which to me re-emphasizes the "Romeo and Juliet" tragic love story aspect of the story.
2. Her tragedy of constant disappointments. Leaving aside the issue of whether or not she's ever really been in love before, we know at least her attempts at having at least a friend fail miserably, at least until Owen.
3. Her more animalistic vampire nature (compared to film Eli) makes her sweeter, human side stand out that much more to me.
Like other people are saying, in a way most of this falls more under sympathy than love, but I think there's a significant overlap for people who empathize with those who are down on their luck.
i whole heartedly agree with that having a vampire abby and a regular abby makes you, meaning me while i watch the film, know the difference without
having to know the difference. i can just watch the monster named Abby clumsily court Owen. While i know you could throw a grip of facts my way about Owen doing the same thing...i only see Abby courting the young man. yea, he was crying like a little girl when Abby left...but i felt it broke her heart more. He is ALL she had. and with Owen, if Abby never came back, he would have eventually forgotten her, went to high school and did his thing. go to college and meet some hot chicks. BUT. he would still have that tiny piece of Abby imprinted on his heart. first loves never go away. Ask Adele. shes cries about it all the time.
a_contemplative_life wrote:I would like to respond to DavidZahir's post, in which I sense some bewilderment and frustration about the attitude of some of the board members regarding LMI.
I can't speak for others, but I know that many people, like me, have been posting here for quite awhile. And I wouldn't be doing it for getting on close to two years unless I perceived something unique and special about LTROI. To me, it's a once-in-a-lifetime film. It is a story about love; about how two children who are downcast outsiders manage to find love. It is their relationship that I care about, that carries the significance of the film for me.
So, when people have these kind of intense feelings wrapped up in something, it is not difficult to understand how something that comes along only a couple of years later and deals with the same story--and more importantly, the same relationship--is going to be met with a strong reaction by those who love the first film. Maybe if I had seen LMI first, I would have been touched by it too--I don't know. But that is not what happened in my case, and as much as I would have liked to view LMI in a vacuum, I'm simply incapable of doing that.
So, it's no longer about two children seeing each other eye-to-eye and finding love. It's not about decision-making balanced on a nail-head. That's what I don't like about LMI, and why I cannot connect emotionally with Abby--there's nothing special about the love they share.
i respect this statement. for him, this
idea supercedes all these speculations and perceptions.
DarkGuyver wrote:Yeah, I envy both couples too. It's really hard to find somebody you can really connect with like that in the real world.
hello? this a great statement. its a boy and a vampire courting each other.
just another regular sitcom on the CW.
danielma wrote:Where as with Abby, well I don't necessarily get that progression. Her interactions with Owen start off very kindly, she seems more welcoming to Owen's kindness...the first half of the movie is very warm and very sweet, but once the horror starts up, I think all of that warmness is kind of lost and on further analysis becomes all that much more sinister to me.
.Mine is Allen Iverson.